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PC Editor

I read on one of the links websites where there used to be a PC based editor for the WSA1, but the link was dead. Does anyone have a copy of the editor I could get my hands on? I'm not sure if it's needed, but I'd like to see what it does. I someti…

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PC Editor

javelin276

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I read on one of the links websites where there used to be a PC based editor for the WSA1, but the link was dead. Does anyone have a copy of the editor
I could get my hands on?
I'm not sure if it's needed, but I'd like to see what it does. I sometimes write software for my synthesizers when there is a function or capability I can't access
through the main interface. That's what I've done for the Yamaha FS1R fseq's. When I get into the WSA1R I may see something worth programming.
Here's my website for reference: http://www.JavelinArt.com

If you can send me a copy of the PC Editor, here's my email address: [email protected]
Thanks guys.
Thor

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Posted on January 3, 2018 at 11:38 PM
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admin

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Re: PC Editor

Hi Thor,

I know of the editor you mention but haven't been able to locate the files for it up to now.

I'll be adding some utilities that might be useful in the near future.

However, I'm very interested in developing an editor for WSA1 and I'm going to email you directly about that.

Great website you have there!

Best wishes,
Mike

Posted on January 28, 2018 at 8:05 PM

Audiologic

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Re: PC Editor

Hello,
me too I am dreaming about an editor.
You are talking about useful utilities, please can you tell me more about that ?
Best regards

Posted on July 25, 2018 at 11:58 AM

javelin276

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Re: PC Editor

Hi Audiologic, I haven't been able to get my hands on the old editor, but our moderator Mike emailed me and has plans in the future to put one
together. I have no idea when he wants to do that, he will have to chime in and tell us. I could write an editor myself if I had all the midi commands
data and a little help interfacing to the WSA1, but I'm busy modding a helicopter sim right now.
Best Regards, Javelin

Posted on July 25, 2018 at 11:20 PM

Audiologic

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Re: PC Editor

Hi Javelin,
Thank you for your answer.

I have the technics documentation concerning the Sys Ex but until now I was not able to access a single parameter via sysex. I try to follow their explanations but I am wrong somewhere, maybe with the checksum I really don't know !

I think the most important is to understand the way to access those parameters and after I would be able to access others too.

Please is if possible could you send me an example how to access one parameter ?

Best regards

Posted on July 27, 2018 at 12:51 PM

javelin276

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Re: PC Editor

Hi Audiologic, I haven't ever tried talking to the WSA1, but the commands go something like this:

To send a 'General Midi On' command, you send F0 7E 7F 09 01 F7.
WSA1 specific commands are of the format F0 50 22 04 00 11 data-goes-in-here F7. I'm not entirely sure about the '22', it might be something else.

You might try asking in the Technics KN2000 forum, the WSA1 is very similar. The sysex comms should be nearly identical.

Regards, Javelin

Posted on July 27, 2018 at 5:03 PM

javelin276

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Re: PC Editor

Looking in the KN2000 manual, it looks like the 'set parameter' command is 2C not 22.

Posted on July 27, 2018 at 5:08 PM

jd5live

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Re: PC Editor

The WSA1 is more like the KN3000 than the KN2000, it uses up to 4 Tones per sound where the KN2000 only uses 3 Tones and the 3rd is called sub tone and is ommited if the voice polyphony is exceeded. Do you need a copy of the the midi data for the KN3000, if you do I have a copy I can send you if it is any help.
Regards John,

Posted on July 27, 2018 at 6:05 PM

Audiologic

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Re: PC Editor

Hi Javelin,

Thank you for your kind help and answers.
yes I try too to use such a kind of command
F0 50 2C 04 00 11 data-goes-in-here F7

Data-goes-in-here = (ADR) 00 00 00 (SIZ) 00 00 01 (data) xx ( Data Continue) 00 (SM-Checksum) zz

parameter = Sound Memory Protect

but no way until know !

Posted on July 28, 2018 at 3:31 AM

javelin276

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Re: PC Editor

OK, try this. Load up a WSA1 demo midi file from the original disks into a midi file editor and dig through the file looking for a block of
sysex set up commands. There should be something in there to select instrument voices and set up the effects units at the beginning
of the file. If I'm right, that might give you an example sysex command to use to figure this out.

I found one, WSA1_SLOWBLUS_drumloop.mid has a sysex block at the beginning. I'll attach it. The sysex block is in track 1.

I tried a few other files too, all of them had the same odd block of sysex commands on the beginning of track 1. That must be what you
need on the front to set up the WSA1. Try duplicating that block on the front of your midi file, then add additional commands as desired
just like the example files do.

Posted on July 29, 2018 at 4:59 PM

javelin276

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Re: PC Editor

Here are the commands in the sysex block. Be aware, my editing program takes the F0 off the front.
The block is probably a bulk dump (to the WSA1) of a custom voice, you can pick through the commands
and figure out what it does using the manual.
There is also a pair of individual sysex commands sent after the block, sandwiched into the notes in Part_3.

R-Click and save the jpg's to your computer so you can read the entire sysex commands.
The forum software clips off the right side of the pictures I attached.

The midi editor I'm using here is XG-Works-Pro just in case you're curious.
Javelin



Posted on July 29, 2018 at 6:06 PM

Audiologic

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Re: PC Editor

Hello Javelin,

Thank you really much for your help.
I am now finally able to access the parameters and I am exploring the possibilities.

Posted on July 31, 2018 at 1:02 PM

javelin276

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Re: PC Editor

Excellent! Glad to hear it.
Any ideas on what the initial sysex block they loaded in is for?
I'm guessing the block loads in data to reset the machine and loads in a custom setup at the same time.
I didn't see a reset command anywhere in the midi implementation part of the manual.

Posted on July 31, 2018 at 4:32 PM